[6:27pm]jjeff:no number yet...
[6:27pm]MacRonin:I muted and have the audio and chat transcripts going
[6:27pm]jjeff:I think I can make a bridge maybe though...
[6:27pm]morphir:jjeff, I got you on skype here
[6:27pm]MacRonin:we have proof of EVERYTHING
[6:28pm]magdelaine_:oh yeah, that is what editing is for...
[6:28pm]magdelaine_:are you kidding???
[6:28pm]magdelaine_:hehehe
[6:28pm]magdelaine_:par for the course :)
[6:28pm]jjeff:anyone else trying to connect to skype?
[6:28pm]jjeff:https://skypecasts.skype.com/skypecasts/skypecast/detailed.html?id_talk=797699
[6:28pm]jjeff:is the new URL
[6:29pm]morphir:skype:+99001110005563254
[6:30pm]jjeff:right
[6:30pm]jjeff:yes
[6:30pm]jjeff:isn't technology wonderful
[6:30pm]magdelaine_:ugh
[6:30pm]magdelaine_:why won't my headset work...??
[6:31pm]jjeff:ha
[6:31pm]MacRonin:I haven't used audio hijack to record a skype call before so who know what I'll end up with :-)
[6:31pm]morphir:I'll stick to irc
[6:32pm]dvessel:hello!
[6:33pm]aigeanta:i'm surfing open nets, so i'm not too reliable
[6:33pm]magdelaine_: http://docs.google.com/Edit?tab=edit&dr=true&docid=dg7ns233_15ggpjzw
[6:33pm]magdelaine_:I just copied the wiki then added comments at the bottom
[6:37pm]dvessel:jjeff: You'll love the new theming system.
[6:37pm]dvessel:I don't know the .info deal though.
[6:37pm]MacRonin:I have seen mention of .info file for themes in 6
[6:38pm]dvessel:Earls' theme registry patch makes creating theme engines a lot simpler though.
[6:39pm]dvessel:audio dropped out
[6:39pm]MacRonin:Hmm he even muted himself :-)
[6:39pm]j_wolf:universal mute = evil
[6:39pm]magdelaine_:omg
[6:39pm]morphir:lol
[6:39pm]magdelaine_:hehehe
[6:39pm]gusaus:oh geez
[6:40pm]MacRonin:just after info files
[6:40pm]j_wolf:right when you said "I'm gonna mute..."
[6:40pm]j_wolf:.info ...
[6:41pm]magdelaine_:I like that
[6:42pm]magdelaine_:could commenting out the CSS accomplish the same goal??
[6:43pm]magdelaine_:as having seperate CSS files
[6:43pm]j_wolf:icons.css layout.css print.css style.css zen.css
[6:45pm]dvessel:I doing something very similar with my theme. What a coincidence
[6:45pm]magdelaine_:ok, I see...
[6:45pm]dmitrig01:hello all
[6:45pm]dmitrig01:whe did you start?
[6:45pm]gusaus:dvessel: :D
[6:45pm]dmitrig01:and how long will you go for?\
[6:46pm]magdelaine_:about 10-15 minutes ago
[6:46pm]magdelaine_:?
[6:46pm]dmitrig01:ok
[6:46pm]magdelaine_::)
[6:46pm]magdelaine_:do you have the url?
[6:46pm]dmitrig01:yes
[6:46pm]atnaegia:hmm i will check out that commit
[6:46pm]MacRonin:the new one?
[6:46pm]dmitrig01:how long will you go for, I think
[6:46pm]dvessel:Feed in taxonomy and path info to override modularized style sheets. a little different but general idea's the same with zenjen
[6:46pm]magdelaine_: http://docs.google.com/Edit?tab=edit&dr=true&docid=dg7ns233_15ggpjzw
[6:46pm]magdelaine_:it's at the top of the page
[6:46pm]dmitrig01:what is the dial-in number
[6:47pm]MacRonin:it looks empty but we are here
[6:47pm]magdelaine_:+99001110005563254
[6:47pm]j_wolf:musical interlude
[6:47pm]dmitrig01:cool
[6:47pm]atnaegia:doot doot
[6:48pm]morphir:why is that we need semantic themes? can't we just use hybrids to easier make themes/layouts X-browser compatible?
[6:48pm]magdelaine_:everyone else is shy, Jeff
[6:49pm]gusaus:and feedback
[6:50pm]dvessel:echo
[6:50pm]magdelaine_:I muted myself :)
[6:50pm]MacRonin:or maybe use headphones
[6:50pm]dvessel:jjeff: so zengens' main purpose is to load style sheets within certain rules?
[6:51pm]dvessel:.tpl.php
[6:51pm]dvessel:amazing! heh
[6:52pm]dvessel:jjeff: I'm doing the same thing on an overbloated theme
[6:52pm]dmitrig01:do you have URL for the zengine?
[6:52pm]dmitrig01:lol
[6:53pm]MacRonin:+1
[6:53pm]dmitrig01:+1
[6:53pm]j_wolf:+1
[6:53pm]dmitrig01:lol
[6:53pm]morphir:+2
[6:53pm]magdelaine_:+1
[6:53pm]dvessel:++
[6:53pm]dmitrig01:no
[6:53pm]j_wolf:nopw
[6:53pm]magdelaine_:no
[6:53pm]dvessel:no worries
[6:53pm]gusaus:+++1
[6:54pm]morphir:eat your own dog food
[6:54pm]dvessel:jjeff: why not keep them completely separated?
[6:54pm]magdelaine_:ohhhh, this makes more sense to me
[6:55pm]magdelaine_:the reason behind Zen, that is
[6:55pm]dmitrig01:do you have a template.php type thing?
[6:55pm]dmitrig01:comments++
[6:56pm]magdelaine_:jjeff:are you thinking of an intro Zen Lite theme?
[6:57pm]dmitrig01:yeah
[6:57pm]dmitrig01:but do you have a template.php type thing
[6:57pm]dmitrig01:just copy phptemplate_init
[6:57pm]dmitrig01:please
[6:57pm]dmitrig01:it's much easier to theme that way
[6:58pm]morphir:jjeff, check irc - up
[6:58pm]j_wolf:so zengine would be like a smarty, phptemplate engines, etc.. etc?
[6:58pm]j_wolf:oh
[6:58pm]magdelaine_:It's almost like the Zen theme with the zengen is more of a framework than just a theme.
[6:58pm]j_wolf:phptal
[6:58pm]magdelaine_:is this correct?
[6:58pm]MacRonin:and maybe one or two sub-themes to show how to do the overrides
[6:58pm]magdelaine_:add1sun: +99001110005563254
[6:59pm]add1sun:magdelaine_, thanks - i'm on
[6:59pm]j_wolf: http://phptal.motion-twin.com/
[6:59pm]magdelaine_::)
[6:59pm]dvessel:heh
[6:59pm]atnaegia:lol
[6:59pm]gusaus:add1sun!
[7:00pm]dmitrig01:jjeff: .zen!
[7:00pm]dmitrig01:yes, I guess...
[7:01pm]MacRonin:maybe zentpl.php
[7:02pm]MacRonin:I think a variable for admin status
[7:02pm]dmitrig01:LOL
[7:03pm]morphir:hehe
[7:03pm]dmitrig01:can we include alignment for sidebars?
[7:03pm]dmitrig01:and floats?
[7:05pm]dvessel:jjeff: will it be using phptemplate_callback ?
[7:05pm]dvessel:basically using most of of phptemplate.engine
[7:05pm]dvessel:ok
[7:05pm]magdelaine_:As a new user, I can see that Zen needs some more explanation as to what it does
[7:06pm]magdelaine_:it seems like more of a framework than a theme?
[7:06pm]webavant:zengine
[7:06pm]dmitrig01:hand page book?
[7:06pm]dmitrig01:jjeff: handbook page
[7:07pm]morphir:after all myspace is the internet
[7:07pm]morphir::D
[7:07pm]gusaus:Michelle has been doing a lot of work on custom user profiles
[7:08pm]MacRonin:how about a google of dollars
[7:08pm]dvessel:module?
[7:08pm]dmitrig01:what wiki page?
[7:08pm]dvessel:right, it should be in core
[7:08pm]j_wolf: http://drupal.org/project/themesettings
[7:09pm]•
dvessel

would love that
[7:10pm]gusaus:freaking awesome
[7:10pm]dvessel:someone want to make a patch after .info for themes go in? :)
[7:10pm]j_wolf:kewl!
[7:11pm]magdelaine_:lol
[7:11pm]j_wolf:serious proximity effect on add1sun's mic
[7:12pm]j_wolf:too close!
[7:12pm]j_wolf::)
[7:12pm]magdelaine_::D
[7:12pm]morphir:please don't eat the mic
[7:13pm]dmitrig01:lol
[7:13pm]j_wolf:comtemplate is damn cool!
[7:13pm]dmitrig01:jjeff: if you can tell some of us ideas, we might be able to implement them
[7:14pm]dmitrig01:so you should make your ideas very public
[7:14pm]dmitrig01:but I can help if you want
[7:14pm]magdelaine_:saddle up!!
[7:15pm]dvessel:jjeff: it's for the more compliant browsers.
[7:16pm]dvessel:not IE
[7:16pm]dvessel::)
[7:16pm]j_wolf: http://drupal.org/node/135098
[7:16pm]magdelaine_:should that go into a tpl.php file?
[7:17pm]dvessel:I think it's great
[7:18pm]dvessel:jjeff: The stuff I'm doing with lumen < my theme is doing a lot of things similar to zengen
[7:18pm]dvessel:I'd be glad to share some code if it seems worthy
[7:18pm]dmitrig01:I am volunteering to help with both
[7:18pm]dmitrig01:but more with zengine
[7:18pm]j_wolf:got a list of items that need to be addressed?
[7:18pm]morphir:I'll look into this as well
[7:19pm]j_wolf:zengine or zen theme
[7:19pm]magdelaine_:Zengine wiki, Zen theme
[7:19pm]magdelaine_:I could help with documentation
[7:20pm]magdelaine_:perhaps turning the issue cue into wikis in these two areas
[7:20pm]dmitrig01:lol
[7:20pm]aigeanta:ie just gets worse and worse. i'm about ready to put a firefox link at the bottom of all my webpages
[7:22pm]dmitrig01:ok, then you have me on the team
[7:22pm]dmitrig01:if you want me
[7:22pm]MacRonin:if you do the firefox link, why not the google one that would pass $1 to Drupal Assoc($1 per windows nothing for mac)
[7:22pm]magdelaine_:jjeff: my kids love the Drupal song
[7:22pm]dmitrig01:dmitrig01
[7:22pm]dmitrig01:same thing
[7:23pm]gusaus:i've been playing around w/ zen in this media distro project - http://drupal.pepperalleyproductions.com/alpha2/
[7:23pm]j_wolf:i'll take a wack at the ie bug
[7:23pm]j_wolf:"Zen Fixed content pushed to buttom, clear-block ..."
[7:23pm]morphir:how does this fir in with the theme pack?
[7:23pm]morphir:fit
[7:24pm]magdelaine_:no garland is not...
[7:24pm]magdelaine_:I don't mind the look at all
[7:24pm]aigeanta:i took one look at garland and ran
[7:24pm]aigeanta: http://www.gogoray.net/
[7:24pm]dvessel:heh
[7:24pm]magdelaine_:What about a "zen themes" page
[7:24pm]magdelaine_:?
[7:24pm]gusaus:haha
[7:25pm]magdelaine_:Of themes based on Zen?
[7:25pm]gusaus:my site needs a lot of work
[7:25pm]magdelaine_:what you can do with Zen?
[7:25pm]MacRonin:I can edit it out
[7:25pm]morphir:the themer pack, how does that fit in with zengine?
[7:26pm]magdelaine_:yes, zen themes page...
[7:26pm]gusaus:dvessel does
[7:26pm]dmitrig01: http://www.gogoray.net/ in a nice zen
[7:26pm]dmitrig01:mod
[7:26pm]morphir:it separates the logic from markup
[7:26pm]j_wolf: http://groups.drupal.org/themer-pack-working-group
[7:26pm]dvessel:jjeff: it's to separate theme functions into .tpl files
[7:26pm]aigeanta:thank you :)
[7:26pm]MacRonin:I think its tpl.php pages that equal the internal defaults. Give you an edit starting point
[7:27pm]dvessel:Was part of Merlins big plan to make editing template files easier to edit.
[7:27pm]j_wolf:separating logic from presentation
[7:27pm]dvessel:and now D6 will have it in core.
[7:27pm]dvessel:add1sun's got it, exactly
[7:28pm]dmitrig01:jjeff: http://groups.drupal.org/node/3945
[7:28pm]dmitrig01:you should be able to edit.
[7:28pm]dmitrig01:and please do
[7:28pm]morphir:is this getting into core now?
[7:28pm]dmitrig01:yeah
[7:28pm]dmitrig01:it is in core
[7:28pm]morphir:hmm..cool
[7:28pm]dvessel:right, then you can drag and drop into your theme and edit.
[7:28pm]morphir:really cool
[7:29pm]dvessel:but the callback is gone.. no more
[7:29pm]morphir:that's a good thing, aii?
[7:29pm]dvessel:yep, very good
[7:29pm]•
morphir

shrugs
[7:30pm]aigeanta:4->5 went a lot more slowly than 5->6
[7:30pm]webavant:Zengine(tm)
[7:30pm]aigeanta:lol
[7:30pm]morphir:lol
[7:30pm]gusaus:and listen to the drupal song
[7:30pm]webavant:can we expect a music video for the Drupal Song?
[7:30pm]magdelaine_:my kids love it
[7:30pm]aigeanta:where is the drupal song?
[7:31pm]gusaus:dvessel: has a good remix
[7:31pm]webavant:at the next DrupalCon, video-tape everyone holding hands and singing the Drupal Song
[7:31pm]dvessel: http://beta.dvessel.com/node/142 ;)
[7:31pm]magdelaine_:nor the talking type, apparently ;)
[7:31pm]dmitrig01:jjeff: did you see my post?
[7:32pm]dmitrig01:well, we can include the zen theme in the zen core for now
[7:32pm]dmitrig01:or rather
[7:32pm]dmitrig01:WTF was I saying
[7:32pm]dmitrig01:we can include sub-themes in the zen theme
[7:33pm]•
morphir

is all about sub-themes these days
[7:33pm]dmitrig01:that was me
[7:33pm]dmitrig01:I thought I was muted!
[7:33pm]webavant:rockin' to the Drupal Song
[7:33pm]magdelaine_:lol
[7:34pm]webavant:partyin' to the Drupal Song
[7:34pm]webavant:I do it too...
[7:34pm]morphir:well, I was looking into making something called flexitheme.(hence a lot of layout subthemes)
[7:34pm]gusaus:nice
[7:35pm]morphir:yeh
[7:35pm]morphir:so, we don't need the bling png etc, but layouts/subthemes
[7:36pm]webavant:bling ping?
[7:36pm]dmitrig01:lol
[7:36pm]morphir:css-layouts
[7:36pm]webavant:l-o-a-what?
[7:36pm]dmitrig01:do you want to include those in the zengine?
[7:36pm]webavant:lullabot somethign?
[7:36pm]add1sun:lullacons
[7:36pm]add1sun:gpl icon set
[7:37pm]add1sun: http://www.lullabot.com/articles/free_gpl_icons_lullacons_pack_1
[7:37pm]dmitrig01:jjeff: I have an idea
[7:37pm]dmitrig01:how about
[7:37pm]j_wolf:background-image: url('my-cool-icon.png') ...
[7:37pm]dmitrig01:yes
[7:37pm]dmitrig01:i do
[7:37pm]dmitrig01:and it's quite long
[7:38pm]j_wolf:$base_path
[7:38pm]webavant:list-style-image: url("http://png.com/ellipse.png")
[7:38pm]webavant:whoops
[7:38pm]webavant:ignore that
[7:38pm]dmitrig01:we could have the css file in a phptemplate_render
[7:39pm]morphir:why is there still a misc.css under /misc/ ?
[7:39pm]dmitrig01:and so a herader("content-type: text/css")
[7:39pm]dmitrig01:should do it
[7:39pm]morphir:no, that is system.css ...
[7:40pm]aigeanta:rss icon
[7:40pm]morphir:why is not system.css put in the themes directory
[7:41pm]aigeanta:i hate system.css
[7:41pm]morphir:list-image-bullshit
[7:41pm]j_wolf:background-image: url(http://www.lullabot.com/my-cool-icon.png') ....
[7:41pm]aigeanta:yes!
[7:41pm]dmitrig01:yes
[7:41pm]dmitrig01:no
[7:42pm]dvessel:yep
[7:42pm]dmitrig01:no
[7:42pm]dmitrig01:no
[7:42pm]j_wolf:theme lat
[7:42pm]dmitrig01:core is first
[7:42pm]j_wolf:last
[7:42pm]dmitrig01:oh really?
[7:42pm]dmitrig01:!@#$%
[7:42pm]morphir:you know what, system.css is what makes drupal sites look like drupal
[7:42pm]dvessel: http://si-lumen.us/api/function/lumen_override_css/lumen <- here's a solution. Feel free to copy
[7:43pm]j_wolf:unclothed ?
[7:43pm]j_wolf:hehe
[7:44pm]yoroy_:morphir: system.css is the new drupal.css, right?
[7:44pm]aigeanta:no i don't think the comment was ever closed
[7:44pm]dmitrig01:I will
[7:44pm]dvessel:yoroy_: it's a piece of it
[7:44pm]morphir:yoroy_, for D6? maybe
[7:45pm]magdelaine_:yuck
[7:45pm]morphir:yeah
[7:46pm]morphir:this means, you have css files all over your drupal directory
[7:46pm]morphir:like now, only more
[7:46pm]morphir:hmm
[7:46pm]dmitrig01:do you want me to commit it?
[7:46pm]add1sun:comment patch is here http://drupal.org/node/106439
[7:46pm]add1sun:dmitrig01, read the comments
[7:46pm]dmitrig01:yeah
[7:46pm]yoroy_:thanks
[7:47pm]dmitrig01:oh
[7:47pm]MacRonin:I've hacked CSS around the edges, but was looking for a good book to try and give a cohesive over-view to show how it all links together
[7:47pm]aigeanta:thank you!
[7:47pm]morphir:is there any speed improvement in zengine?
[7:47pm]•
morphir

is just wondering
[7:47pm]j_wolf:MacRonin: CSS Mastery
[7:47pm]dvessel:jjeff: you consider using separate IE styles for Zen?
[7:47pm]dmitrig01:lol
[7:47pm]dmitrig01:add1sun: I can take care of it if you want
[7:48pm]add1sun:cool
[7:48pm]dmitrig01:you go for other bug reports
[7:48pm]add1sun:k
[7:48pm]add1sun:go on, take the easy one ;)
[7:48pm]MacRonin:Thanks j_wolf
[7:48pm]gusaus:thanks!
[7:48pm]aigeanta:rock!
[7:48pm]dvessel:cool
[7:48pm]j_wolf:MacRonin: usually books by Andy Budd and Eric Myers
[7:48pm]MacRonin:Thanks
[7:49pm]magdelaine_:thank you!
[7:49pm]dmitrig01:byw
[7:49pm]j_wolf:thnx!!
[7:49pm]morphir:bye!
[7:49pm]jjeff:Who recorded?
[7:49pm]MacRonin:clsing the archives
[7:49pm]morphir:bigbrother recorded