[7:49pm]jjeff:Who recorded?
[7:49pm]MacRonin:clsing the archives
[7:49pm]morphir:bigbrother recorded
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[7:50pm]jjeff:I did, but if someone else has a good recording and wants to post it to groups.drupal.org, that'd be one less thing on my plate
[7:50pm]morphir:ok, cool
[7:50pm]morphir:thanks
[7:50pm]MacRonin:I have a recording, but I'll have to check it and remove some of the cruft at he start
[7:51pm]jjeff:MacRonin: that'd be great!
[7:51pm]jjeff:I usually make mono 32kbps mp3 files for the podcasts... long files can be BIG
[7:52pm]gusaus:it would be cool to keep this irc room open for communication/collaboration
[7:52pm]jjeff:sure
[7:52pm]jjeff:it'll be here
[7:52pm]gusaus:didn't know if it just stays open...
[7:53pm]magdelaine_:jjeff: I can help with documentation, if needed
[7:53pm]gusaus:there's a bot that keeps #drupal-lurkers open
[7:53pm]morphir:jjeff, will there be any speed improvement in zengine?
[7:53pm]jjeff:speed improvement over?
[7:53pm]morphir:phptemplate
[7:53pm]jjeff:over zen theme?
[7:54pm]jjeff:no... same as phptemplate
[7:54pm]jjeff:it actually calls phptemplate
[7:54pm]morphir:right
[7:54pm]jjeff:so should be about the same
[7:54pm]add1sun:magdelaine_, any docs improvements you can make, create an issue
[7:54pm]add1sun:and if you can make a patch for internal docs that would rock
[7:55pm]MacRonin:The original recording is 44.1 and stereo (definately overkill and big 70+meg) I'll make it mono and 32kbps
[7:55pm]magdelaine_:ahhh yes...I'm getting adjusted to the idea of doing patches
[7:55pm]j_wolf:i'd like to add a patch that wipes IE off the face of the earth.... :)
[7:55pm]dmitrig01:I figured out the bug
[7:55pm]gusaus:i've been looking to use zen as possibly a base theme for specific setups (install profiles) - for example band site, venue site, alt weekly site, radio site... would be ideal to give folks an easy way to select from a few custom subthemes for each setup... seems like zen/zengine will be good for that
[7:55pm]add1sun:magdelaine_, if you need any help with them, let me know
[7:55pm]MacRonin:A quick sampling sounds OK, I'll just have to edit out the beginning
[7:55pm]dmitrig01:jjeff: do you want me to post to the issue queue
[7:55pm]magdelaine_:thank you, I will
[7:55pm]dmitrig01:jjeff: a patch and all
[7:56pm]dmitrig01:jjeff: or just commit it
[7:56pm]dmitrig01:jjeff: because
[7:56pm]dmitrig01:jjeff: what happened
[7:56pm]add1sun:dmitrig01, normally a good idea to post a patch
[7:56pm]dmitrig01:jjeff: was the comment was never finished
[7:56pm]dmitrig01:jjeff: and it should have been
[7:56pm]dmitrig01:jjeff: but then again
[7:56pm]add1sun:and have someone else review the patch
[7:56pm]jjeff:right
[7:56pm]jjeff:yes... unclosed comment
[7:56pm]dmitrig01:jjeff: it might have been legacy code
[7:56pm]dmitrig01:so I am not sure weather to remove it
[7:57pm]dmitrig01:or to put a closing comment
[7:57pm]aigeanta:yes, remove it
[7:57pm]dmitrig01:because if there is css that is commented otu
[7:57pm]dmitrig01:and it's just some obscure margin
[7:57pm]jjeff:oh yeah... that was testing
[7:57pm]dmitrig01:then there is no point in it
[7:57pm]jjeff:just remove it all
[7:57pm]dmitrig01:oh
[7:57pm]add1sun:jjeff, is there a handbook page on using zen?
[7:57pm]jjeff:qualifies as "cruft" now
[7:57pm]jjeff:add1sun: I don't believe so
[7:57pm]dmitrig01:so can I post a patch
[7:57pm]dmitrig01:do I need reviewers?
[7:57pm]magdelaine_:add1sun: that's what I was wondering
[7:58pm]dmitrig01:or can I commit it right off
[7:58pm]dmitrig01:?
[7:58pm]magdelaine_:it is really more than a theme, zen that is...
[7:58pm]add1sun:magdelaine_, could you look around and see?
[7:58pm]dmitrig01:also
[7:58pm]magdelaine_:I will
[7:58pm]add1sun:magdelaine_, and if not create an issue
[7:58pm]add1sun:and then we can write some stuff up and get docs started
[7:58pm]dmitrig01:jjeff: should I commit to the stable release, or the dev version
[7:58pm]magdelaine_:yay! something I can do!
[7:58pm]add1sun::)
[7:59pm]add1sun:always something to do!
[7:59pm]jjeff:dmitrig01: commit to the dev version... (of the Drupal-5 branch)
[7:59pm]morphir:dmitrig01, I'll review
[7:59pm]magdelaine_:lots to do, not much I CAN do, yet :P
[7:59pm]jjeff:and then we'll create a new tag when we've got the issue queue down a bit
[7:59pm]jjeff:we also should probably zero out the HEAD version so no one gets confused and uses that
[7:59pm]dmitrig01:jjeff: what commit command should I use to commit it? because it would go into head if I just do 'cvs commit -m"asdf"'
[7:59pm]jjeff:(from CVS)
[8:00pm]jjeff:dmitrig01: I use Eclipse... so I don't really know
[8:00pm]dmitrig01:then does anyone know?
[8:00pm]jjeff:maybe cvs commit -r DRUPAL-5 -m "asdf"
[8:00pm]jjeff:?
[8:00pm]dmitrig01:I can try that
[8:00pm]jjeff:you could try it! :-)
[8:00pm]add1sun:dmitrig01, i actually check out the different versions
[8:00pm]add1sun:to diff dirs
[8:01pm]dmitrig01:I do that too
[8:01pm]dmitrig01:but
[8:01pm]jjeff:yeah, me too
[8:01pm]add1sun:so when i am in 5 i always commit ot 5
[8:01pm]add1sun:etc
[8:01pm]dmitrig01:I am talking about commit
[8:01pm]add1sun:dmitrig01, if you checked out 5
[8:01pm]add1sun:and you commit
[8:01pm]add1sun:it will commit to that checkout
[8:01pm]add1sun:i mean that version
[8:02pm]add1sun:so if i checkout -r DRUPAL-5
[8:02pm]add1sun:and then go in, monkey around
[8:02pm]add1sun:and then do cvs commit - m...
[8:02pm]gusaus:i'm really interested in the bits about making it easier to customize user profiles (aka creating something much more useful 'to a content producer/promoter' than myspace)
[8:02pm]add1sun:it will go to 5
[8:02pm]jjeff:I'm going to put the Zengine in my sandbox right now
[8:02pm]dmitrig01:ok, cool
[8:03pm]morphir:goody!
[8:03pm]jjeff:of course, it doesn't do anything on its own!
[8:03pm]jjeff::-)
[8:03pm]add1sun:dmitrig01, and even if it gets messed up we cn always revert ;)
[8:03pm]jjeff:so I've created a theme on it... that's the Zen theme ported over to Zengine... it's called
[8:03pm]jjeff:Xen
[8:03pm]magdelaine_:jjeff, where is your sandbox?
[8:03pm]jjeff:(confusing, I know...)
[8:03pm]jjeff:magdelaine_: 1sec
[8:03pm]add1sun:magdelaine_, the sandboxes are in CVS
[8:04pm]morphir: http://cvs.drupal.org/viewcvs/drupal/contributions/sandbox/jjeff/
[8:04pm]jjeff:yup
[8:04pm]jjeff:it won't be easy to download without using CVS
[8:04pm]jjeff:but I'll create a project for it tomorrow
[8:05pm]dmitrig01:morphir: I wil add the patch in a sec
[8:06pm]dmitrig01:morphir: just made it
[8:06pm]morphir:awesome
[8:06pm]jjeff: http://cvs.drupal.org/viewcvs/drupal/contributions/sandbox/jjeff/zengine/
[8:08pm]dmitrig01:morphir: http://drupal.org/files/issues/zen-comment-close.patch
[8:08pm]dmitrig01:jjeff: how is the engine user?
[8:08pm]morphir:is this the theme or zengine?
[8:08pm]dmitrig01:used?
[8:08pm]dmitrig01:morphir: theme
[8:08pm]morphir:cool
[8:08pm]dmitrig01:morphir: mine, at lease
[8:08pm]dmitrig01:t
[8:08pm]jjeff:port of Zen theme to Zengine theme engine: Xen theme :: http://cvs.drupal.org/viewcvs/drupal/contributions/sandbox/jjeff/xen/
[8:09pm]jjeff:morphir: zengine is the theme engine
[8:09pm]morphir:I got that:)
[8:09pm]jjeff:hence the word "engine" in the name ;-)
[8:09pm]dmitrig01:jjeff: what about the comments about phptal
[8:09pm]dmitrig01:you should remove those
[8:09pm]jjeff:ha!
[8:09pm]jjeff:yes... My secret is revealed
[8:09pm]dmitrig01:yep, it is
[8:10pm]dmitrig01:phptal user!
[8:10pm]jjeff:will do
[8:10pm]aigeanta:agh! the comment bug we just fixed is in your layout.css in your sandbox ;)
[8:11pm]jjeff:aigeanta: I'll fix it now
[8:12pm]jjeff:aigeanta: are you sure? I'm not seeing it... oh! in Xen...
[8:12pm]jjeff:ahh
[8:12pm]jjeff:1sec
[8:14pm]jjeff:aigeanta: I can't find it... can you point me to where you're seeing the problem in my sandbox
[8:14pm]jjeff:?
[8:14pm]dmitrig01:morphir: and?
[8:14pm]morphir:looks fine
[8:14pm]gusaus:might be helpful to have the transcripts for this room logged
[8:15pm]gusaus:?
[8:15pm]dmitrig01:well then
[8:15pm]dmitrig01:should I commit
[8:15pm]dmitrig01:gusaus: ping morbus in #drupal
[8:15pm]dmitrig01:but he's usually not on in the weekend
[8:15pm]dmitrig01:s
[8:15pm]gusaus:ok
[8:16pm]morphir:dmitrig01, I don't checked ie
[8:16pm]morphir::(
[8:16pm]morphir:sorry
[8:16pm]jjeff:aigeanta: found it... fixed
[8:16pm]morphir:didn't even
[8:16pm]dmitrig01:what do you mean
[8:16pm]dmitrig01:?
[8:16pm]dmitrig01:and the only thing this patch would do would be to remove some cruft
[8:16pm]morphir:how it appeared in explorer
[8:16pm]dmitrig01:it should work exactly the same
[8:16pm]morphir:sure
[8:17pm]dmitrig01:because it does not intrduce any new styles
[8:17pm]dmitrig01:or take any old ones away
[8:17pm]morphir:dmitrig01, just a formality, aii
[8:17pm]dmitrig01:well
[8:17pm]dmitrig01:jjeff: can I commit it>
[8:18pm]dmitrig01:jjeff: just read the patch
[8:18pm]jjeff:the comment patch?
[8:18pm]jjeff:read it. looks good.
[8:18pm]dmitrig01:can I commit then?
[8:18pm]jjeff:please :-)
[8:18pm]dmitrig01:ok sure thing
[8:19pm]dmitrig01:preprosessorpreprosessor
[8:19pm]dmitrig01:preprosessor
[8:21pm]dmitrig01:whoops
[8:22pm]morphir: .__
[8:22pm]morphir:________ ____ ____ ____ |__| ____ ____
[8:22pm]morphir:\___ // __ \ / \ / ___\| |/ \_/ __ \
[8:22pm]morphir:/ /\ ___/| | \/ /_/ > | | \ ___/
[8:22pm]morphir: \/ \/ \//_____/ \/ \/
[8:22pm]morphir:dang! it broke
[8:22pm]aigeanta: http://drupal.org/node/110553
[8:23pm]dmitrig01:WTF
[8:23pm]dmitrig01:I cannot commit
[8:23pm]dmitrig01:cvs is borken
[8:23pm]dmitrig01:can jjeff or add1sun commit it?
[8:24pm]jjeff:I've been committing to my sandbox
[8:24pm]jjeff:but not to the project
[8:24pm]jjeff:dmitrig01: do you have a CVS account?
[8:24pm]dmitrig01:jjeff: yes
[8:24pm]jjeff:oh... cool..
[8:24pm]jjeff:sorry... just making sure
[8:25pm]dmitrig01:you added me to zen, right?
[8:25pm]•
jjeff

double checks
[8:25pm]dmitrig01:and it will only let you add people if they have cvs accounts
[8:25pm]jjeff:dmitrig01 yep
[8:25pm]dmitrig01:which one?
[8:26pm]jjeff:the name I added was "dmitrig01"
[8:26pm]dmitrig01:that should be right...
[8:26pm]jjeff:I added your Drupal username
[8:26pm]jjeff:which should be wired up to your CVS username...
[8:26pm]dmitrig01:that is my cvs name too
[8:26pm]add1sun:dmitrig01, did you check it out with your cvs account?
[8:26pm]dmitrig01:yes
[8:26pm]add1sun:that is not as anon
[8:26pm]jjeff:ahh yeah... I've made that mistake
[8:28pm]jjeff:oh... and forgot to mention on the call: I think we should provision for IE hacks
[8:28pm]jjeff:come up with a system for people to add them
[8:28pm]add1sun:ie.css?
[8:28pm]jjeff:yeah... something like that
[8:28pm]jjeff:ie5.css
[8:29pm]aigeanta:drupal drupal drupal drupal dru-pal
[8:29pm]jjeff:ie-lt5.css
[8:29pm]jjeff:(less than 5)
[8:29pm]jjeff:aigeanta: :-)
[8:29pm]add1sun:we can creat a component for IE hacks too
[8:29pm]add1sun:to keep the issues separate
[8:29pm]jjeff:ie-lte5.css (less than or equal to 5)
[8:30pm]jjeff:and use conditional comments to include those files... I think Garland does that.
[8:30pm]dmitrig01:done
[8:30pm]dmitrig01:committed
[8:30pm]jjeff:dmitrig01: rock!
[8:30pm]jjeff:thanks
[8:30pm]dmitrig01:np
[8:30pm]dmitrig01:now... on to other issues
[8:30pm]•
jjeff

buys a ticket to Hawaii
[8:30pm]jjeff:oh... crap... other issues
[8:31pm]•
jjeff

cancels ticket
[8:32pm]dmitrig01:odd... http://drupal.org/files/issues/zenlines.jpg
[8:32pm]add1sun:dmitrig01, what issue?
[8:32pm]dmitrig01: http://drupal.org/node/118467
[8:32pm]jjeff:oh yeah... technically that's a browser bug
[8:32pm]dmitrig01:that's what I thoughy
[8:32pm]jjeff:and it's also probably related to the collapsable form field
[8:33pm]add1sun:that's what i was thinking
[8:33pm]jjeff:however... there might be ways we can mitigate it through the CSS...
[8:33pm]jjeff:but... good luck with that! :-)
[8:33pm]morphir:hehe.. here is the start of the readme file
[8:33pm]morphir: http://cvs.drupal.org/viewcvs/drupal/contributions/sandbox/morphir/readm...
[8:33pm]jjeff:morphir: awesome!
[8:33pm]dmitrig01:nice...
[8:33pm]add1sun:lol
[8:34pm]add1sun:that rocks!
[8:34pm]MacRonin:While working on the audio recording I still have the IRC going to a transcript in case you do want it.
[8:34pm]jjeff:I even like the font!
[8:34pm]magdelaine_:yeah me too
[8:34pm]dmitrig01:me too
[8:34pm]morphir:thanks! well use it!
[8:34pm]jjeff:ha!
[8:34pm]dmitrig01:how do you do that morphir
[8:35pm]dmitrig01:jjeff: if you have a fresh checkout of the dev version
[8:35pm]dmitrig01:look at
[8:35pm]dmitrig01:like 9
[8:35pm]dmitrig01:79
[8:35pm]dmitrig01:shouldn't be
[8:35pm]dmitrig01:or rather
[8:35pm]dmitrig01:shouldn't be
[8:35pm]dmitrig01:?
[8:36pm]aigeanta: http://drupal.org/node/131509
[8:37pm]jjeff: http://cvs.drupal.org/viewcvs/drupal/contributions/sandbox/jjeff/zengine...
[8:37pm]jjeff:!!!
[8:37pm]jjeff::-)
[8:37pm]dmitrig01:awesome
[8:37pm]MacRonin:gusaus While working on the audio recording I still have the IRC going to a transcript in case you do want it.
[8:38pm]dmitrig01:morphir: how do you do that?
[8:38pm]gusaus:MacRonin: yeah, think it would help everyone to have that posted somewhere
[8:38pm]dmitrig01:bbl
[8:39pm]gusaus:dmitrig01|piano: is now a piano
[8:40pm]magdelaine_:curious, does anyone know how standards-compliant zen tries to be?
[8:40pm]MacRonin:gusaus: separate from the official call? or just one long text file ?
[8:41pm]jjeff:magdelaine_: as compliant as possible
[8:41pm]jjeff:magdelaine_: however it's tough to be super-svelt when you don't know what the content is going to be
[8:41pm]jjeff:in other words, we need lots of classes
[8:42pm]gusaus:MacRonin: hmm... are you posting a link to the audio somewhere on d.o.? if so, maybe add it there?
[8:42pm]magdelaine_:ah yes, that brings us back to the idea of sub-themes
[8:43pm]magdelaine_:it's tough to come up with something that is adaptable in all situations without it being overwhelming to a new user
[8:43pm]MacRonin:gusaus: I was planning on posting both the audio and the transcript on my site and then linking back to me on d.o and g.d.o
[8:43pm]jjeff:MacRonin: that's cool
[8:43pm]MacRonin:I might even install the audio player since this would make a good test
[8:43pm]jjeff:as long as there's a link from the groups site
[8:44pm]dvessel:jjeff: for creating classes.. What do you think of getting all the keys from $variables and running them through a function to conditionally return classes?
[8:45pm]dvessel:I haven't tried it, just throwing it out here.
[8:45pm]jjeff:dvessel: sure... that might be cleaner
[8:45pm]dvessel:Would be a crap load of classes though. :)
[8:46pm]jjeff:oh... all of the variables become classes?
[8:46pm]jjeff:hrmm
[8:46pm]jjeff:not a fan
[8:46pm]dvessel:yeah, haha
[8:46pm]jjeff:double-crap load
[8:46pm]dvessel:but conditionally and maybe set a predefined filter so you dont' get more junk than you need.
[8:47pm]dvessel:yeah, probably cause a bit of load.
[8:48pm]gusaus:dvessel is working on some very cool theming projects :D
[8:48pm]dvessel:glad you think so gusaus. :)
[8:52pm]dmitrig01:dvessel: implode(' ', array_keys($variables))
[8:52pm]dmitrig01:if you want
[8:52pm]dvessel:but it wouldn't be conditional
[8:52pm]dvessel:some vars have empty strings or zeros
[8:52pm]dmitrig01:yeah
[8:52pm]dmitrig01:well then
[8:53pm]dvessel:I'm going to investigate that
[8:53pm]dmitrig01:foreach($variables_copy as $variables) {
[8:53pm]dmitrig01:or
[8:53pm]dmitrig01:foreach($variables_copy as $k => $v) {
[8:53pm]dvessel:gotcha
[8:53pm]dmitrig01:if($v == 0 || $v == '' || $v == null)
[8:53pm]dmitrig01:{
[8:54pm]dmitrig01:unset($variables_copy[$k[)
[8:54pm]dmitrig01:}
[8:54pm]dmitrig01:}
[8:54pm]dmitrig01:and then do that
[8:56pm]dvessel:dmitrig01: I'm thinking more like creating a function with an argument of all the array keys to allow and loop through them.
[8:57pm]dvessel:would be smaller/faster
[8:58pm]dvessel:think it would be a good zen patch? At least give it a shot..
[8:58pm]dmitrig01:maybe prefix each var with variable-
[8:58pm]morphir:if you wanna create ascii text: http://www.network-science.de/ascii/
[8:58pm]morphir:my trick :)
[8:59pm]dmitrig01:oh
[8:59pm]morphir:dmitrig01, now I have to kill you
[8:59pm]dmitrig01:nm
[8:59pm]dmitrig01:I found it
[8:59pm]morphir:hehe
[9:00pm]dmitrig01:did you do nancyj or collossal
[9:04pm]morphir:dmitrig01, I don't remember
[9:04pm]dmitrig01:morphir: you used univers
[9:05pm]morphir:ok:)
[9:05pm]morphir:I just go with one that is readable
[9:35pm]dvessel:I've seen this before: http://drupal.org/node/118467
[9:36pm]dvessel:Happens when a form field has a positive padding canceled by a negative margin.
[9:36pm]dvessel:Only happens in FF
[9:41pm]dmitrig01:odd
[9:42pm]dvessel:Too bad I can't recreate it now.